Forcible DNA collection is wrong. Absolutely. No question. Collecting DNA left somewhere? That’s a much different prospect. That would, for example, require police to have a warrant for lab work on anything from CSI at a mass murder to a beat cop trying to find a purse thief. It sounds more like a situation where probable cause needs to be established and then the Here’s the world famous starship captain pushing his vessel and crew to the limits of the final frontier shirt is fine. This is a rare situation where I disagree with the ACLU somewhat. If the police were illegally accessing the DNA databases, or people were forced to give a sample to these databases like 23andme, I’d be furious. However the police are accessing those databases legally, and once you throw away trash on public property, I think your expectation of privacy goes out the window. Now I can see the point about police raiding someone’s trash that they have bagged and hauled to the curb to be picked up. But if you flick a cigarette butt into a public trash can, I say that’s fair game. That’s a separate issue completely Jeff, and one I think you have a point on. However I am arguing about police doing detective work of one individual giving their DNA willingly, and someone who willingly flicked their cigarette butt on the ground. They found a serial rapist and murdered through doing what was described in California. I don’t think it’s such a bad thing that they can use these DNA sites, especially in cold cases involving violence. Ice is the only thing that stands between you and a complete breakdown of our society as we know it. Respect them and the work they do. You ACLU fans won’t be able to absorb that statement.